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jersey governor anything nice, say anything. [ laughter ] [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> cenk: welcome to the "the young turks." the world is on fire. >> activity could worsen in the coming days across the middle east. in protest and violence. >> cenk: what i'm going to do in the show, explain to muslims across the world how americans work and explain to americans why muslims are so angry. and then the scary ideology of the gop. >> i think she would do a great job in showing us just how wrong what government is doing is. >> i think the conservatives are worse than today's liberals. >> cenk: well, we're going to show you a lot more video of that nut job that is the
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ideological nut job. and we have more on the movie that started this whole protest in the first place. how it got started. we have a story on that that no one else has. why did they put it in arabic? what was the original title? and what was the point of the movie in the first place? all on tonight's show. it is, in fact, go time. [ ♪ music ♪ ] [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> cenk: all right we unfortunately have a mess all over the world right now of 20 different embassies have seen protest or attacks including deadly ones in sudan tunisia. peace keepers have been attacked in the sinai peninsula.
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four deaths already, dozens are wounded. and they coat a kfc on fire in lebanon. muslims throughout the world are angry at what they perceive a slightly americans. now here is one huge ironic part of this story. the man who created this mess in the first place is egyptian. the protest began in egypt. what do we have to do with it? well, it's the guy who happens to live in southern california. here's local news story on who he is. >> surrounded the home of the man who allegedly produced the controversial film. police tell "abc news" that nakoula basseley nakoula is a 55-year-old egyptian christian who uses the name sam bacile to make the film. nakoula allegedly wrote the film while in prison serving time on
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bank fraud. >> cenk: he's an egyptian coptic guy. we don't know anything about the guy because's tremendous scam artist. we'll talk more about him later in the show. we need to begin to understand one another's culture. muslims in the world are angry that america does not respect their culture. do they respect our culture? i'll have to explain how things work here. if muslims say george bush invaded iraq, and george bush, the president of the united states, he equals america. i could say look, it pains me. 70% of the country now does not like this guy. he was our president and we are a democracy. i get it. if they say president obama equals america. he is our president. he does drone strikes. they might not like drone strikes because it kills family members. they might be mad at obama i get it. but if they say pastor terry terry
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jones represents america. this guy is a village idiot. don't you have a village idiot in sudan libya? if you pull that raving lunatic aside and said this is muslim this is one showing to ten people. this doesn't even come close to equaling america. i heard there is a rear view mirror center libya that is widely watched movie in america. nobody even knew about it until you guys started doing your protest. it had no viewers. it does not equal america. then how about big blow hards like rush limbaugh who says outrageous things whether it's about our president or muslims. he does not equal america. even loudmouths on the other side like this guy also does not
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equal america. okay? that is not how the country works. we need to communicate that to the muslims across the world. they think in our country if you offend religion or us you get arrested. that's not how we work in this country. you want us to respect your culture, you have to respect our culture. that goes to point number two. if you say you're muslim and you don't drink--i don't know, you don't drink beer or eat bacon. you say i'm not going to drink beer. fine, don't drink it. i'm not muslim. i'll drink beer. you say you don't eat bacon. well, i'm he not muslim. i eat bacon. i think bacon is god's food. that's my prerogative because i'm not your religion. if you say you cannot draw prophet mohammed, well, i'm not
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in your reasonable. if i wanted to draw the guy, i can because i'm not in your religion. you say no, no, you have to follow our rules. do you follow other religion's rules? what about atheist. allah will neither speak to them nor look upon them on the day of resurrection, nor will he make them grow. theirs will be a painful doom. do you respect their religious lifestyle, you don't. and what about this. we shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. their habitation is fire. what about mormons. let me show a local report on mormonss and tell me if muslims might agree with this. >> according to the mormon faith, jackson county is the site of the garden of eden. after adam and eve's fall they fled to what is now davis
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county missouri. that's about an hour north of kansas city. and the second coming of christ will take place in an area just west of downtown independence. >> cenk: i think if you told muslims, hey jesus went to missouri. they may not respect that opinion. and how about dan dan an israeli knesset deputy speaker. he's jewish. he has this to say about the holy land. >> i call it my homeland. >> so did the general. they call it samaria. >> if you respect their beliefs you would say yes have jerusalem. have gaza strip. no, can we understand that and get beyond it. now americans say why are the
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muslims so angry at us? there is this thing called the iraq war where we invaded a country that did not attack us on 9/11, and they know that. what? happened? hundreds of thousands were killed. second of all drone strikes. it's not just against al-qaeda. they do signature strikes where we don't know who we're hitting. oh it looks like there are guns there, let's hit it. sometimes it's a wedding and they're firing guns into the air to celebrate. oops you just killed their family. you think they're not going to hate you if you killed their mom, their baby and their aunt? of course they're going to hate you. it's not just about the movie but it's this anger and resentment about these issues and one other thing that is important that is never talked about here. that is the autopsy. muslims all across the world not just palestinians feel a deep sense of shame and embarrassments that muslims in
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the holy lands have occupied for 60 years. you can have a difference of opinion on why that is the case, and why they have not reached a settlement, but this burns deeply. you may say surprised wow, it's just a movie. but it's not just a movie. they feel they have no power and they can't strike back. that's why they have this protest, passion and anger. let's begin to start to understand one another. now the final piece of irony really muslims say i can't believe pastor terry jones would burn a qur'an. so let's grab an american flag and burn it. how does that make any sense? you want us to respect your qur'an and not burn it, and then you burn our american flag. on the other hand, americans say, what is the big deal about burning the qur'an why are they so upset? what! they're burning an american flag? let's talk. they are just symbols.
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it doesn't mean anything. it's not things to go to war over okay? i hope that i have helped a little bit. i'm not sure there is some chance i made people more angry but we're trying our best. when we come back, mitt romney in a world of trouble and he keeps digging that hole deeper. goget a load of what he said. (vo) this program is presented by american express. welcome to the possibilities of membership. welcome in. american express.
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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> cenk: the polls are in. the polls are in and romney is hurt. over all national poll, 49-46. cbs "new york times" poll. now looks that's a three-point differential, it could be worse. it is worse when you go to the more important states, the swing states. florida and virginia are two
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states that romney desperately needs if he is going to win the presidency. right now he's down by five points. 49-44 in both of those states. if he does not get both of the ststeses he'ssone foror k kww there is two months left in an election, but five points is significant. in ohio, it's 50-43 a ten-point differential. it looks like ohio is toast. it does not look like romney can win it. if they don't win ohio, the republicans have a much harder chance. i don't want to say no chance, and there could be a game changer in two months, but if there isn't romney is hurt, dog, more bad numbers for him. among all women down 53-39. how badly can you lose? well your answer is among single women he's down 65-27 my god single women hate this guy. he's down 38 point!
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how about foreign policy 54-40 when was the last time that you saw a democrat with a 14-point lead on foreign policy. what is this world coming to. you go understand why look at the alternatives. here is this idiot called colonel peters, he goes on fox news channel. he is their military expert. >> in this part of the world the only thing these radical islamists fanatics understand is brute force. they kill four of ours, you kill 400 of theirs. nothing else works. sorry, harvard sorry yale, sorry princeton, your theories flop. when our people are killed, you kill them in large numbers. >> cenk: but who you moron who do you kill? which 400? are you going to go into libya
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and kill 400 random people? but the libyan people are on our side. we poll incredibly well in libya. they arrested the four guys who they think is responsible for the attacks. who do you kill, you moron? you're the stupid asss who started the iraq war how did that go? that was a disaster. if this is their representative of foreign policy, no wonder why they're getting their akk kicked kicked. one more. >> a mediocre plan violently and promptly executed is better than a perfect plan to late. the president is a guy who wants all the facts. you never get all the facts in time. the world doesn't work that way. >> cenk: that's awesome. so we should attack indiscriminately. i don't have the facts. who needs the goddamn facts. i wonder why the republicans are losing in foreign policy, i
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can't tell. now let's bring in our epics politics man, michael shure. let's break this down. it only gets worse for romney. random attacks. >> and random attacks on romney, too. >> cenk: one of his top visors said if romney was in charge we wouldn't have had any attacks on the embassyies because they would have respected them. >> because that's fact-based. >> cenk: yes, they attack embassies all the time. that's ridiculous. tell me how romney is hurt in other ways. >> he's hurt among just every segment of the population. he's hurt among women. single women according to a fox poll, you may have talked about 38% difference right now. that's an enormous differential among single women and 14% among women. he's up on the economy. up on every--up on foreign
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policy. >> cenk: president obama. >> president obama, every category except the deficit where romney is up a little bit. >> cenk: which is ironic because romney would destroy the deficit. >> if the economy is the big issue, it's ironic, but you expect the opponent to be up on the economy when the economy has been in the doldrums. that's not even happening. >> cenk: look, romney is only up by five in montana! >> yeah. >> cenk: if they're in trouble in montana this thing is over. now look, two months is a long time. you could have a game changer. if they held elections today there is some chance that it's a landslide. >> yeah, i think so, we tossed that out a lot. but a landslide in these days, a landslide is winning those big swing states. pennsylvania not even being contested, michigan, goodbye. florida and ohio, as you mentioned at the top of the segment, 5% and 7% respectively.
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this is bad news. >> cenk: they can't get virginia florida they're done. one of their problems is economic issues. i want to skip ahead to b-18. when asking romney about the middle class, he says, i'm in favor of them. who does he think is the middle chance. >> no one can say my plan is to raise taxes on middle income people. >> what is middle inincome. >> $250,000 or less. don't race taxes on middle income people, lower them. >> wow, middle class is $200,000 to $250,000? >> this is such an out of touch candidate it's hard to imagine that he got the nomination. >> cenk: how in the world do you run for president and you don't even know who is in the middle class! george h.w. bush, he didn't know a scanner. this guy things $200,000 is
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middle class. every person watching is saying, i'm going with the other guy. $200,000 is a guy gigantic amount of money. those guys who are making a quarter of a million dollars that poor smush. >> george w.h. bush didn't even know a scanner. he didn't need to know what a quarter of milk cost. but this is the most damning clip i've ever seen. >> cenk: i agree. i think they got to run that from here to the election. that is more damning than anything i've seen. >> anything. >> cenk: one more thing michelle bachmann. b-16. wait until you hear what she said about the president. >> my belief and my opinion that barack obama has been the most dangerous president we have ever had on american foreign policy. >> cenk: come on i mean,
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they're so over the top i don't think they are believable any more. people see that and say what an idiot. >> michelle bachmann is in a lot of trouble. in her polls out of her election race graves down by two points. that's major. that's a toss up. that's within the margin of error. >> cenk: michelle loses her own congressional seat. that is awesome. >> it could very well happen. >> cenk: it could happen. thank you michael. great analysis, let me just tell you guys something. we're going to talk about the embay isembassies, but that clip about mitt romney saying that middle class is $200,000 to $250,000, i would say the most important thing is that clip. because it's not anywhere near true and it turns everybody off when they see it. huge news this week. now when we come back, who is
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the ideological godmother, ayn rand. wait until you see the clip of what she said about handicap people and then paul ryan saying she's the greatest thing he has ever sign. >> i think ayn rand did the best job of anybody to build a moral case for capitalism. now to my point. (vo) jennifer granholm ... >>for every discouraged voter, there are ten angry ones taking action. trickle down does not work. in romney's world, cars get the elevator and the workers get the shaft. that is a whole bunch of bunk. the powerful may steal an election, but they can't steal democracy.
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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> cenk: all right, welcome back. who is ayn rand. the author of fountain head and possibly a sociopath and godmother of the republican party this day and age. how did they get this way? first of all to make it clear how much they love him here is vp for the republicans candidate for the republicans on ayn rand. >> cenk: she was interfered and said you seem to be very popular. social security, aid to needy kids. it's a central part of government. how do you feel about it. >> one of the principle achievements of this country in the past 20 years particularly i think most people agree is gradual growth of social protective legislation based on
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the principle that we are our brother's keeper. >> i think it's terrible. you will see destruction all around you and you're moving forward on this disaster until and unless the welfare conceptions have been reversed and rejected. >> cenk: so she just simply does not believe in social security and all those other programs. in fact, you shouldn't be that surprised that's what paul ryan says. live to paul ryan on ayn rand again. >> i grew up on ayn rand. that's what i tell people. everybody does their soul searching in trying to find out who they are and what they believe, you learn about yourself. i grew up learning from ayn rand, and it taught me quite a bit about who i am and what my value systems are and what my beliefs are. it's inspired me so much that it's required reading for all my office and my staff. >> cenk: required reading. is this anything that you think the government should do? >> you probably like to get rid
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of hgw. >> most certain. much more than that. i would like to get rid of. >> a lot of government. >> everything but the basics. >> cenk: get rid of everything. and this is the person that they look up to. more paul ryan. >> it's so important that we go back to our roots to look at ayn rand's vision, her writings, to see what our girding and guiding principles are. >> cenk: if you think that's bad. get allowed of ayn rand on handicap people. >> the newest proposals of having special--millions spent on abnormal children and the handicap it's the attempt to bring everybody to the level of the handicap. i don't believe that such programs should be granted to any group.
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but it's the mentally retarded, which is the sub normal, the children who are unable to learn, so that at the end of spending thousands of millions of taxpayers' money you may have someone who may learn how to read and write--may. >> cenk: sub normal, they should be left on their own. this woman is sick. this is the person they look up to. apparently she does not return the favor. remember she's atheist. she does not believe in christian values and in fact, look at her in another interview in 1979. >> i want to make something clear. i'm not a conservative. i think today ace's conservatives are worse than today's liberals. i think if anyone destroys this country it will be the conservatives because they do not know how to preach conservatism because they do
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nothing except apologize and they are based on altruism. religious altruism. based on these ideas you cannot save the country. >> cenk: after all the compliments that he showered on ayn rand, look, she's an atheist. she does not believe in christianity. she does not even believe that conservatives are the right party. on and on. he says, quote i reject her philosophy. it's against my world-view. oh, is that right? of all the things that we just showed you that paul ryan has been saying for years and years. he said, give me thomas aquinas who believed that man needs divine help in the pursuit of knowledge. do not give me ayn rand. let me show you paul ryan again. >> if ayn rand were here today
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she would do a great job to show us what government is. not the qualitative analysis, not numbers but the morality of what is wrong with what government is doing today. oops? you like ayn rand, i guess you love paul ryan. let's bring in gary weiss who wrote the book "ayn rand nation: the struggle for america's soul." she looks like a psycho killer there. we're liberals. we don't judge people on looks. gary tell me our ayn rand got to be this exalted status by the conservative movement. >> she wrote two very good novels. she wrote a book called "the fountain head." and a books that exalted capitalism, but the main way she became so preeminent among conservatives and the right is through people like alan
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greenspan, who was a member of her collective and basically continued her philosophy in the highest levels of government, and then paul ryan. you take a whole line of people from chris cox of the fcc to clarence thomas of the u.s. supreme court and ronald reagan. >> ron paul, rand paul, who they say is not named after ryan rand. they just picked rand out of a hat. likely. what is the actual connection between alan greenspan and ayn rand. >> he was a member of her collective, the small group of people who coalesced around her in the 1950s. he was a high member of her others. he was number three in her rank of accolades. she was one of the chief apostles. he was like the apostle paul of the ayn rand movement.
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number two and number three up through the 1960s. >> cenk: that's amazing. >> he wrote essays for her books, and her newsletter. >> cenk: i didn't know that. and for those who don't know, alan greenspan was head of the federal reserve board. during the economic collapse, and all leading up to it, he said we don't need to regulate. we don't need to regulate the market. and it turns out he was wrong. after the collapse he said, i was wrong. it turns out we need to regulate the market. who said not to regulate the market, ayn rand. the fact that they looked up to her is amazing. talk to me more about her philosophies. how extreme is it? do the clips do her justice? >> if anything, the clips under state her philosophy. you could spend an hour just going through the various things that she said over the years. one of the things that she said for instance, one of the concepts she opposed was democracy. she said about democracy, i want to read her exact words.
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she said democracy is a form of collectivism that denies individual rights. she said democracy is a totalitarian manifestation, it is not a form of freedom. she was anti-democratic in addition to being atheistic and anti-everything about this country going back to the found founders. >> cenk: i don't mind that she's atheist iic but i do mind how she exhibited that. it was a superman theory. might makes right and if you can get away with it, have at it it. is it selfish. >> she was was opposed to altruism. she exalted a man by the name of william hickman, a serial killer who killed and dismembered a 12-year-old girl.
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in her journals she said that he was a beautiful soul, that he was a man with no regard for all of society holds sacred. this she felt was a good thing about the man. >> cenk: that is unbelievable. no wonder why paul ryan now that he's caught is running away from her at 100 mph. thank you for joining us. really appreciate it. >> thank for having me, cenk. >> cenk: now when we come back, we're going to talk about how fox news hates an american company, and they're trying to make sure that it gets hurt as much as possible. we'll talk about the reality behind that. >> you have to do that, i'd rather roller skate backwards in the lincoln tunnel than
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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> cenk: something fascinating has happened in american politics. since president obama authorized the car bailout republicans and
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conservatives have turned around and are actively rooting against all american car companies. the way they have done that is most clearly demonstrated in the case of the chevy volt. they have attacked it relentlessly. and reuters did them a huge favor doing this ridiculous analysis saying, quote nearly two years after the introduction of the path-breaking plug-in hybrid gm is still losing as much as $49,000 on each volt that it builds. according estimates provided to reuters by industry analysts and manufacturing experts. but that's ridiculous. because they spent all the money up front. it's called an investment. do you know that brett hume admitted that fox news lost $90 million a year for five straight years when they started. they lost $450 million before they turned a profit. if reuters in year four, oh my god, fox news is a disaster. they're never going to make
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money. now unfortunately the rest of the media is aiding them in this quest. here is chevy volts solyndra on wheels. gm's restauranted volt is on the road to nowhere fast, and on and on it goes. it's a good thing we have jacki schechner, our current correspondent who will set them straight. >> the "washington post" is the best. we spoke with warren brown who has been writing for 30 years. he called the editorial ignorant shortsighted and down right stupid. he said this is ignoring the fact that all other country are looking into alternative fuels or alternative transportation sources that obviously this is an investment because the oil and gas is going to run out over time. >> cenk: and the prius did fought do well in its first two years. >> and it's doing better than
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the prius did in the first two years. >> cenk: now it's selling like hotcakes. >> after two nights of charging the volt for 12 hours the car ran out of electricity. i kid you not in the lincoln tunnel both mornings on my way to work. watch. >> there's the change. >> what? >> cenk: it did exactly what it was supposed to do. the gm says it gets 35 miles on a charge, you charge it overnight. then it changes over seamlessly. and most people get to work and back from work in that 35-mile span and they don't tap into the gas tank at all. >> cenk: he taking is that is an incredible positive. you don't have to pay for gas for the first 38 miles. that's awesome. >> it really adds $1.50 on your
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electric bill. >> cenk: that's the thing about fox news. they make it seem like the car stops in the middle of the tunnel, we're screwed. >> it did what it was designed to do. >> cenk: these guys do ridiculous stuff but haven't they turned it around? aren't they actively rooting for the failure of an american company. >> they want to see this thing fail. this is something that is technological advancement that is an investment in g.m.'s line down the line. they're going to use this technology in higher-end cars. it will be a profit margin for gm. we'll get our money back as taxpayers. this is very good down the line financially and for some reason people are attacking the volt for all of these ridiculous reasons. >> cenk: but you know what, it should not be surprising at all. one, it's the mitch mcconnell we don't care how much we hurt this country and if president
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obama gave money to g.m. then we despite g.m. and we root for their failure. >> it's the four-wheelman-wheel manifestation of the auto bailout. >> cenk: and crony capitalism. when the banks the oil companies and all the present companies that have these advantages. fox hates. >> we're complaining now for the bailout of gm which is an american company and american jobs. makes absolutely no sense. >> cenk: how much g.m. have we sold back. >> we're now at 32%. we were at 60%, now we're at 32%. >> cenk: it's working well. we're supposed to get rid of the stock as we go along when they're profitable. because this is a success, fox news hates it. jacki, thank you. >> it's a pleasure.
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>> cenk: the a.i.d.s. epidemic was in full swing when activists swung into action and fought back. they were enormously successful. when we come back we want to talk about with a can we learn from that? can progressives succeed in the same way today? we'll get those lessons when we return. >> this government has the resources to deal with the a.i.d.s. epidemic, and they won't do it [ male announcer ] the 2013 smart comes with 8 airbags a crash management system and the world's only tridion safety cell which can withstand over three and a half tons. small in size. big on safety. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. your new light creamy potato with bacon & cheese soup says it's 100 calories a serving. that's right. in what world do potatoes, bacon and cheese add up to 100 calories? your world. my world. ♪ ♪ [ whispers ] real bacon... creamy cheese... [ whispers ] 100 calories... say it again... [ whispers ] 100 calories...
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fizzled out and it has been ineffective. there was one movement back in the days that shows us how it could be eececve at was a groupupf activists who wanted to help on the a.i.d.s. cause. this was back in the days when a.i.d.s. was not getting attention, not a lot of money in terms of research. but they fought back and they won. that oh story is told in a new movie called "how to survive a plague." >> leading cause of death. >> came to shut down the fda. >> this government has the resources to deal with the a.i.d.s. epidemic, and they won't do it unless we force them. >> we want everybody to arouse to anger and action. >> until we get our act together we are as good as dead. [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> cenk: now joining us we have
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david france, who award-winning journalist and award winning author and producer of "how to survive a plague." tell me what the situation was back then, and what you managed to win in terms of the battles you were fighting. >> the film picks up at the beginning, six years into the epidemic. in those six years there was just death. there was no education or money being earmarked for research for treatment. it was really a community at a time that was struggling to survive in some way and the rage that built up in 1987 was palpable. the action on the streets was to demand drugs. like anybody else in this country, we deserve to have the machinery of the public health system to take charge and
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produce something. >> cenk: what did you get done? what was it that you were after and did you get it? >> well, in the early days the demand was unfocused. in that way there is a parallel to occupy wall street. it was anger and ultimately what we see in this film what deviled developed over time was the grow growing specificity saying exactly what they wanted, how much money they wanted, what drugs they wanted tested, and became experts really in the whole industry of how drugs are produced. >> cenk: that's the really interesting part. right now occupy needs a lot of help in terms of getting things done right? so what are the lessons we can learn from that fight that we can apply here? >> well, the first one is patience. covering this movement over nine years, and it was nine years before any effective medication
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came out of the system that is in charge of making those things that actually had an impact against the virus. in those nine years people were dying left and right right. the death count was skyrocketing and the activists stayed in the trenches, furthering their ideas about what they want. ultimately infiltrating the system that they were protesting against to begin with. >> cenk: how do you infiltrate the system. occupy would like to know that. >> what activism innovated was a strategy called "the inside-outside strategy." outside, the people on the street willing to put their lives on the line, willing to get arrested, willing to make big spectacle of themselves to garner news coverage and reach the hearts and minds of the american people. at the same time forcing doors open for the more sophisticated
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technical wing of their operation to get inside. >> cenk: i'm not sure occupy has that wing. but that's the part that i have trouble grasping. it's easy to see the political action on the street. what do you mean technical wing. how does that work-- >> ultimately, and this is the thing about time passing. you need about that amount of time to develop that expertise. group activists none of whom have science training, one was a high school drop out one was a playplaywright, and one was an activist they came on and over two years three years and taught themselves the fundment fundmentals of what they were struggling, they learned not only the language to converse with the scientists but they learned to process the
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principles of that and actually become partners to bring innovation and ideas that maybe only outsiders could develop. >> cenk: but what's the turning point. you can talk to the bureaucrats and say we know what we're talking about. this is specifically what we want--and that's really important. then you have the action outside. but what makes the difference where they go, okay, you're right, let's do this? >> they were right. they were right. they won the admiration of the scientists they were protesting. these scientists would not have paid attention to them if it weren't for the masses on its streets saying you have to pay attention to them. the doors were pushed open by the crowds. they went in with their documents treatment agenda and arguments about specific drugs and because of the chaos on the streets, the scientists read those documents. >> cenk: one last quick thing. a lot of people don't know this, but bill clinton actually said, i feel your pain to one of those activists. that's where the line comes
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from. when you anger the politicians is that actually a good thing? a lot of them were angry at those protests. >> they were angry but they also knew the benefit of appeasing the protesters. protesters drove them nuts but they knew, and bill clinton knew when he wanted unpopular measures to receive congressional approval, if he had the--if he were working in conjunction with the agenda of the act-up street activists he could use that cover to his advantage. >> cenk: that's interesting. >> they gave him the power. they gave him the impetus. he could say look, the people are demanding it. >> cenk: it's like fdr saying, they pushed me to doing it. david france, thank you so much. really instructive. when we come back, we have an inclusive on the movie that upset the embassyies. we'll share that with you when we return.
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>>i jump out of my skin at people when i'm upset. they're doing this this corruption based on corruption based on corruption. >>that's an understatement, eliot.
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>> cenk: tonight we have an exclusive on this story of the "innocence of muslims." that's the movie that started all this mess that you see throughout the middle east and the embassy raids. it was released on june 30, 2012 in a small run down theater. reports are that ten people attended that one showing. it's probably the most pathetic showing in the history of movies. what is interesting is one of our producers, senior producer happened to be there and took a picture of how they were promoting the movie back then.
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they were actually calling it "the innocence of bin-laden" and their promotional materials were in arabic. isn't that fascinating? why is that? it's because they wanted to trick muslims into coming to see the movie and then insult them to try to provoke a confrontation. that was a miserable failure because no one wanted to see the movie. but this is what they wanted to do to start the mess in the first place. there was a phone number at the bottom. we called the number recently. as usual, it's a scam. it asked you for $3.95 a minute, for what? you don't even know. we got a pre-paid $20 credit card, and we gave it. it says now you're preauthorized card will be charged $119. when you finally get through it says, oh yeah, now if you have any comments in any language on the movie leave it here. what did i today $119 for?
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they're a scam artist. you know what it says here in arabic? good news, we'll show the movie of the century. theinnocence of bin laden and will know who is the real terrorist and who killed our women and children. they're trying to tell muslims to see this movie. bin laden is innocent. we'll show you. come on in. then they hit them with mohammed is a pedophile, he's gay and all these slurs and trying to antagonize them. is this movie somewhat financial successfully? yes was it to provoke
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